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New Media – Do you agree with PM Lee?

Posted by theonlinecitizen on April 16, 2008

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said the following, as quoted in the Straits Times’ article titled “Leading and lightening up in the YouTube age”:

If a newspaper report is wrong, readers can write in to refute it or the newspapers can carry another report to clarify matters.

The newspaper readership is rather fixed, but it is difficult to identify readers or surfers online. How do you find them to clarify the truth? There is no way to do this. This is a problem.

Another problem has to do with the nature of certain new media.

For example, YouTube clips and political advertisements are very similar. Political advertisements cost a lot of money, including production, buying airtime on TV or print advertisements.

Singapore politics will turn bad if political campaigning costs a lot of money.

From a narrow perspective, if political parties have to produce advertisements, the PAP will have an edge because we have the resources to do so.

However, from a broader, national perspective, it is not a good thing. This is because many people will be willing to donate money to parties that need money, but political donations are never unconditional.

You win the election and after you come into power, the donors will politely ‘seek payment for debts’. What do you do for such debts of gratitude?

Do you agree with the prime minister?

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31 Responses to “New Media – Do you agree with PM Lee?”

  1. Fever Guy said

    I just cant stop shaking my head at his illogical explanations. Online costs more than physical campaigning? I shoot my own video and post to youtube is free. Costs is ZERO! My dear PM, do you tube in the first place or blog? Or you outsource such easy to do stuffs to your contractors?

  2. Daniel said

    Do anyone believe that pig can fly (without any help) ?

    Obviously, this Joker Lee believe that PAP can rule another decade with their nonsense and rhetoric.

  3. sarek_home said

    For example, YouTube clips and political advertisements are very similar. Political advertisements cost a lot of money, including production, buying airtime on TV or print advertisements.

    Singapore politics will turn bad if political campaigning costs a lot of money.

    An interesting leap of reasoning from our million dollar PM:

    1. YouTube clips and political advertisements are very similar.
    2. Political advertisements cost a lot of money, including production, buying airtime on TV or print advertisements.

    Question: Is using YouTube for political campaigning cost a lot of money?

    The beauty of online media is that it does not cost much compared with MSM but has similar results. While talking about new media, suddenly the old MSM thinking slipped into his mind and he just carried on with this costs a lot of money and ’seek payment for debts’ things. Something is really wrong with him.

    This is because many people will be willing to donate money to parties that need money, but political donations are never unconditional.

    Is this PM Lee experience with people serving PAP? Or he is just assuming anyone supporting other political parties are up to no good?

    He sounds very confused.

  4. Charissa said

    There are two ways doing online campaigning;

    1) Cost money: Hire some organization to make videos and update your blog.
    2) ZERO cost: Passionate citizen actively campaign for the party of their choice by uploading videos and blogging.

    Thus, online campaigning is only similar to offline ones if point (1) happens. Obviously campaigning via MSM and online is different. Perhaps he is thinking of the US when he said this. Errr…. but the political environment is US and Singapore is different so I do not think this statement is fair. In fact, lessons from the last GE showed that online campaigning for the opposition was mostly done by ordinary citizens free of charge.

    The other point about people not being able to refute wrong reports is also highly illogical. This is because people can freely debate on blogs or comment on videos. In fact, blogging and YouTubing are more interactive than traditional media especially since all comments/debate can happen in a real-time environment! Someone or another will find a way to substantiate or debunk a report if it’s really wrong. Not sure if he had heard about this before, but it is call an A-C-T-I-V-E C-I-V-I-L S-O-C-I-E-T-Y.

    Anyway, this is unlike MSM where even if they conveniently left out news about something or write about issues/people in an unfavourable light, people would find it more difficult to refute them in the MSM.

  5. patriot said

    I suggest PM Lee Hsien Loong come into TOC and refute Robert Ho, anytime the PM is free and it is not going to cost him a single cent. At your own time, own target and convenience!

    We, in the Net are awaiting eagerly for the PM to just do it.

    patriot.

  6. “However, if the people feel you are like a clown and lose respect for you, will your words still carry strength? Will people still take your opinions seriously?” Lee Hsien Loong. ST April 16, 2008

    Enough said.

    Do we take them seriously?

    Does Mas Selamat eats Mee Siam with Hum or Mai Hum?

    All I can say is,”EVEN WE PAY THEM MILLIONS, AGAIN,IT’S HAPPENED. WHAT TO DO?”

    feedmetothefish

  7. Daniel said

    Online citizen,
    one thing for sure. Joker Lee might have been reading your blog a lot because now he even use the word ‘clown’ that often use in this blog.

    ““However, if the people feel you are like a clown and lose respect for you, will your words still carry strength? Will people still take your opinions seriously?”

    In other words, he knew that he is the clown we talking about. Why ? Because people who read a lot on political blog know the truth and do not take his word and opinion at all. Not even consideration.

    PM,
    We don’t have to feel that you are clown because you are born a genuine clown. Where can you find someone who commit grevious mistake and lose so much money and yet still sanguine of himself shamelesly ? Exactly. Only Clown in circus does that in circus because they know it is wayang act they doing.

    So PM Lee, I urge you and your coffers to join the circus and not pester the citizen with your insulting remark and appetite for $$$$$$.

  8. Potential Emigrant said

    He is talking like Lim Swee Say – talk cock like sing song.

    I think all the talks these few days, and more to come, are within
    an overall plan that will introduce more draconian laws, rules and
    regulations to tighten even more upon the Internet. This is the prelude.

    And this is also the signal for me to emigrate.

  9. Eveline said

    If a newspaper report is wrong, readers can write in to refute it or the newspapers can carry another report to clarify matters.

    During the mrbrown-K Bhavani controversy, mrbrown was given a chance to refute the gahmen meh?

  10. “For example, YouTube clips and political advertisements are very similar. Political advertisements cost a lot of money, including production, buying airtime on TV or print advertisements.”

    PM Lee is daft, youtube is free. There are many ways to produce advertisements and such, they do not need to cost much. Nowadays most digital cameras come with a video function. Just knock on doors of geeks to get them to edit, I am sure that there are some out there who will gladly do video editing for FREE because they will die without editing a video everyday (geek mah) and they can put it on their portfolio for greater gains. Compared to buying airtime on TV, an online advertising campaign will be much cheaper.

    Lee needs to move on from the thoughts and ways of the traditionalists. He also needs to stop brainwashing the older, maybe not so tech-savy generation that the PAP way is better. Move on man move on!

    After reading the recent stuff said by him regarding new media and online campaigns, I cannot help but wonder if he actually knows what the internet is all about at all. Seriously is he that daft? Or maybe I am expecting too much out of our PM? Hahaa maybe he is just in denial about the effects of new media.

  11. Daniel said

    I never thought that LHL could be much more senile than his father.

    Please forgive him for his stupidity and ignorance.

    I doubt that LHL has even try to create and upload a Youtube video before and he doesn’t know that it is free. Remind me of another clown minister that tell us he never see porn in his lifetime, and I believe him because together they are really dickhead that disconnect with reality and the world.

    The world is laughing at us after the foreigner read this post.

  12. gleechoo said

    Has anyone read ‘Greater Good: How Good Marketing Makes for Better Democracy?’ by Quelch & Jocz? I’d like to read this though…

    Apparently in the American scene, to improve voter apathy, there is the need for marketing the candidates, etc…this is the reality show presently online.

  13. Insulted said

    The latest article “Free Press Vital to Singapore’s survival” brings out the rational behind our PM’s recent utterance. Lets not forget that when the old man came into power the first thing he did was to take control of the newspaper and later television. This was not only to ensure that we do not see a repeat of racial riots and union riots fueled by the media but is was also to ensure that the media becomes a government mouthpiece which eventually would ensure the strangle hold of the ruling party. This has been proven without doubt.

    However, the present times has thrown up new challenges. The new media needs to be controlled and for the same reasons the old man did but more so for the second reason. The Malaysian elections have proven the power of the internet and the ongoing debates and points raised in the internet have questioned the governments actions, Surprisingly answers have not been forthcoming and the level of argument put forward must have taken the MIW by surprise. So he is just hedging before the clamp down starts and like the old man he might have to thriw the sedition act if nothing else works.

  14. Gary Teoh said

    Joker lee is living in a make believe world.Why not he set up face book or a blog to interact with netizens ?

  15. kong-ma-kai said

    CHENG HU tis time “chia luk”… wit al tis very very clever peoples here…….Better go back take care of my coffee store…

  16. CelluloidReality said

    Insulted,

    There’s something as a tipping point over an extremely costly move.

  17. Mun Kit said

    “…but political donations are never unconditional.”

    Obama had a “60 minutes with Obama” campaign right?
    The amount was donated over the net, within a specific time period. I wonder how the donors attach their specific ‘conditions’ when they made their ‘political’ donations… I really do.
    Do people who donate a few bucks attach conditions in the first place?

  18. Junyuan said

    Hey, his explanations are fantastic for a lesson in logical fallacy!!!

  19. u always win lah said

    say whatever you want, i only interested to see you and your croonies out of parliament. period.

  20. MovieMon said

    “From a narrow perspective, if political parties have to produce advertisements, the PAP will have an edge because we have the resources to do so.”

    He may again be mistakenly regard national assets and resources as being belonging to the PAP

  21. Jackson said

    Once again, our multi-million-salary-paid PM Lee has made himself a fool again. How can online campaigning be more expensive than physical campaigning? So sad to realise that after all the education and National Service experiences, all his white hair grows without a sense of purpose. I think his father should teach him how to give a better public speech next time, if any.

  22. Vote wisely said

    Yes i agree with him on one thing for sure, that the current ministers and MP’s are not only not up to mark but also should be voted out.

    This is my justification, trying to control and paint everything in your favor does not gel well with public opinion or image.

    I think the elites are out of touch and they are living in a world of make believe.

    Passion drives people to make videos that millions will agree with.

    But thinking that people who donated money are gonna come back and haunt you later for favors ??

    It makes me wonder if this is the current mode of how things have been working so far ?

    Well, then I think we should not accept the progress package then….

    In a nutshell, if the govt don’t wake up to the call of the internet, we will certainly see a drastic change.

    soon you will see some kind of restriction or BAN on websites that contain content that is not in their favor.

    I was once told, serve the people and never yourself first.

    What were you told ?

  23. eatmydust said

    frankly, I would like to see the elites participate in a forum that does not below to them.

    It would be really good as I am sure they will gets lots of “reality bites” engagements.

    And it would clearly show their intellect and ability to think straight

  24. meesiam_maihum said

    I am increasingly amused and amazed by the statements made by LHL. It is a startling display of ignorance and lack of connection with the real world and the people living in it. If this is the kind of quality we are getting for a S$3.76 Million p.a. prime minister, then I fear the worse for Singapore’s future.

  25. Daniel said

    We should rightfully put LHL’s speech in http://www.talkingcock.com as well because that is the only place worthy of his ‘wisdom’. The editor at talkingcock.com will surely welcome him as a frequent contributor. I am looking forward to another LHL’s talkingCock speech. But whether it is worth $3.7 millions is another matter.

  26. Gary Teoh said

    .. we did not ask for progress package.It is they who are scare of election loses who try to buy our votes.One vote cost only $100 or 200. so cheap?

  27. Scare mongering said

    I guess their scare mongering ways has lost its magic and we all can see the gibberish that our M&M’s are talking about.

    If it makes no sense and it tries to confuse a situation, I guess the only way is OUT.

    Its really a joke to see such commentary from a minister.

    Oh I forgot, I’m at a circus. where repeated propaganda sounds real after a while…..your wifes and sisters will become maids, GST to help the poor, people are homeless by choice….MSK vanished and escaped during a toilet break….what will they think of next ?

    The MATRIX is a good show to watch…

  28. Dingo said

    I hope TOC makes more videos.

    http://singaporeviewer.blogspot.com/ compiles and categorizes streaming videos on Singapore society and politics.

  29. Fever Guy said

    More crap to follow soon? We are all waiting for the COI report due on Monday. Hope to see credible accountability from the relevant parties! My guess is as good as yours. How credible can it go?

  30. Mr.Make believe said

    its gonna be a drama mama, because the thing about lies is that one lie after another is gonna be difficult your tracks

    sooner or later you will slip and expose the bIG hole of yours

  31. George Tan said

    Wong Kan Seng must resign now if he has any decency left, unless he feels otherwise. It is too humiliating to continue.

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